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Para el creador de PokerEV (sacado de aquí):

Quote:Originally Posted by jukofyork
Is the market for Poker Tracking software really that big though? If each unit is sold for $50 then to make (an extra) $500k (somebody else mentions HM lost out on "millions"...) you are going to have to sell 10000 (extra) units. I just can't believe the market really is that big.

Juk

HEM has likely sold 5-10K units by now, I'd be surprised if it was substantially more or less. The next gen tracker market will sell over 50K units by this time next year, and most of that will go to PT3. I'll PM you some numbers if you're interested.

Quote:I think the key to pEV having a chance at this point is that theoretically (assuming the claims are accurate) pEV will also track and analyze Omaha, which I think is such a huge selling point for the software and one that Phil needs to emphasize.

It helps, but I think the big sales are going to be decided on holdem users since they're 90+% of the market. Ease of use, performance, new features, deeper analysis, an actual next-gen HUD and attention to detail are the main advantages pEV has. Assuming PokerEV releases in a week or two, I'm confident of eventually taking the lead as #2 tracker after PT3.
Quote:I totally agree - HEM has taken the lead and now has sites suggesting it. PT3 probably is rapidly loosing this battle

They're not going to lose their market lead. The core of PT3 is extremely well made (problems notwithstanding) and HM doesn't have the code to challenge them. What you're seeing now is the effect of HM's six month near monopoly on a working tracker/HUD. They've also had an actual monopoly on around 7 sites, unique core features, a market leader who had major bugs and didn't update for 3 months after commercial release, and another competitor who seems completely unreliable. The rumors are that PT3 have completely fixed their major bugs which you should see in the next week or so. PT3 will win back popularity as they begin adding new features rapidly. Once they surpass HM on some of HM's core advantages, all the marketing in the world won't make a difference, you can't do well with a product that's not as professional or feature rich as the market leader. [/b]

Quote:Phil, what's your guess, is public release/beta a few days or few weeks/months away

As mentioned earlier I've finished the testing and cleaning up and I'm working on the last piece of functionality, which is adding custom stats to the HUD. After this last miss I'm not giving a date until it goes to testers.

Quote:I also like writing my own queries and searches and I know both systems' databases and I can't see how you can say that the PT3 system is better written.

The HEM database is very good. rvg did a great job on it. However, a database is only a small part of the work that has to go into a tracker, albeit the most important part if your competitor does a poor job. The rest of the code in HM is 6+ months behind what PT3 is capable of doing and I think some of it is downright unfixable. HM has frequently prioritized quickly hacked features over good design and testing, and while it worked for them when they had a monopoly, it's going to come back to bite them in the ass hard once PT3 gets their issues sorted.

PT3 hasn't put any of their flexibility to use yet because they've been struggling with HUD bugs, so it's really hard to see their advantage right now. Assuming the rumors are true and the problems with PT3 are fixed (I don't know), PT3 is going to be able to add features a lot faster and more professionally. Not to mention all kinds of unique capabilities that the HM core just can't handle.

Just one developer's opinion, but I think PokerAce Josh probably agrees

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Es decir, parece ser que PT3 está mucho mejor diseñado (excepto en la BD) y HM se ha dedicado a dar soluciones rápidas y a parchear lo que no funcionaba (en lugar de hacer un rediseño) con lo que tendrá menos flexibilidad en el futuro.

Eso se tendría que notar dentro de unos meses, con lo que los que hayan comprado el HM y lo estén usando y sacando provecho no han hecho tampoco una mala inversión. Supongo que la mayoría acabaremos comprando los 3 y usando generalmente uno para jugar y recopilar datos y otro para evaluar las sesiones. Porque como el PokerEV sea la mitad de bueno que dice su creador será la poya (si es que sale algún día, aunque creo que en Septiembre ya seremos capaces de echarle el guante).

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Totalmente de acuerdo.

A simple vista se nota que el PT3 tiene todo un equipo detrás trabajando, y estoy seguro que a la larga, al HM le será muy difícil competir con eso, ya que parece un programa más personal que otra cosa.

De cualquier forma, queda esperar a que consigan que el PT3 sea usable, y lanzar aquellas funcionalidades extras que hagan a los que disfrutan del HM pasar el incordio de volver a mudarse a otro soft.

Mientras tanto al HM le da para vender muchas, muchas licencias...

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nataloves

Como el PEV sea lo que prometen acabo con los 3 al final...
Respecto a lo de que el pt3 se va a comer al HM pues yo creo que si, pero el HM actualmente tal y como esta para mi esta perfecto. Aparte de que sacan parches cada nada para solucionar bugs y añadir peticiones de los usuarios.

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nepundo

Bueno, y si mañana chapara la web y se fuera a la playa a tocarse las bolas creo que no le habría salido mal del todo el negocio incluso tirando por lo bajo con 5k licencias vendidas...

Yo el HM la verdad es que lo pillé porque en su momento era el único que soportaba Pacific, pero como no estoy usando ni el 10% de las posibilidades de análisis que ofrece ni siquiera he vuelto a mirar si el PT3 ha empezado a soportar Pacific. Hasta que no se me quede corto (y dudo que eso pase) es tontería.

A ver el PokerEV qué tal...

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